The exchange that you are about to witness is one of the most awkward that we have seen recently. Any time that Dr. Fauci is asked to explain himself, it always goes poorly. This episode of State of the Union on CNN is a must watch for anyone who wants to see Dr. Fauci sputter and stammer. Tapper is asking the right questions and Fauci does not have an answer to any of them.
Tapper’s objective is easy enough to understand. He wants to know if any lessons have been learned about the US’ willingness to cooperate with China on a very challenging bit of research. Meanwhile, Dr. Fauci is more concerned with getting Americans to cooperate, so that we are able to find a real answer for the origin of this deadly virus.
The video can be seen on CNN’s site if you are interested but we have done you a solid, transcribing the exchange right here:
“TAPPER: … Gain of function, one definition of that is when scientists make a virus deadlier and more contagious in a lab in order to identify potential pathogens and prevent pandemics. Now, NIH says very clearly that the research the U.S. funded in that lab did not meet that definition. But either way, Dr. Fauci, I want to ask you, critics say the Wuhan lab experiments were nonetheless risky, whether or not they fit that category. And, obviously, the Chinese government is not a good-faith partner. They’re not allowing transparency. They’re not allowing a real investigation. So, as a matter of policy going forward, given that the Chinese government won’t allow any real investigation, do you still think the U.S. government should collaborate with labs like Wuhan, especially on research that experts consider risky?
FAUCI: Well, Jake, if you go back to when this research really started, and look at the scientific rationale for it, it was a peer-reviewed proposal that was peer-reviewed and given a very high rating for the importance of why it should be done, to be able to go and do a survey of what was going on among the bat population because everyone in the world was trying to figure out what the original source of the original SARS-CoV-1 was. And in that context, the research was done. It was very regulated. It was reviewed. It was given progress reports. It was published in the open literature.
FAUCI: So, I think if you look at the ultimate backed rationale, why that was started, it was almost as if, you didn’t pursue that research, you would be negligent…
TAPPER: Right, but…
FAUCI: … because we were trying to find out how you can prevent this from happening again.
TAPPER: But, going forward — like, a peer review is looking — those are doctors and scientists looking at the work of doctors and scientists…
TAPPER: … without kind of factoring in the fact that you have an oppressive Chinese government…
TAPPER: … that won’t allow transparency. Going forward, are you still confident? (CROSSTALK)
FAUCI: Right. Going forward, we are always going to be very, very careful, go through all kinds of review, including the risk/benefit ratio. So, I would — I mean, if your question Jake is, looking forward, are we going to be very careful about the research that we do, well, we have always been very careful. And, looking forward, we will continue to be very careful in what we do. And we are always willing to reexamine the criteria that are used when you do research wherever you do them. But I think doing research in the context of where these things happen is very important. And SARS-CoV-1 originated in China. And that is the reason. If we were starting to look for bats in Secaucus, New Jersey, or Fairfax County, Virginia, it wouldn’t contribute very much…
FAUCI: … to our understanding of where one SARS-CoV-1 originated. It originated in China.”
This was not the question, Fauci! This interview does not instill very much confidence in conservative Americans. The CDC and NIH had better not overstep their boundaries when it comes to mask and vaccine mandates! Personal choice is personal choice….
TAPPER: "Do you think masks should be brought back for vaccinated Americans?"
FAUCI: "This is under active consideration… Yes, I am part of the discussion. pic.twitter.com/jw4xo3NLLY
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